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INTERVIEW: N. Korea denuclearization "increasingly improbable": analysis site director

INTERVIEW: N. Korea denuclearization "increasingly improbable": analysis site director

English.Kyodonews • October 11, 2026

TOKYO - The denuclearization of North Korea has become an "increasingly improbable" goal, and the United States and its allies should move beyond it to devote their diplomatic efforts to talks on arms limitations and crisis communication, the director of the U.S.-based North Korean analysis website 38 North said.

Recalling the 20 years since North Korea carried out its first nuclear test on Oct. 9, 2006, Jenny Town said in a written interview with Kyodo News that "a pivotal moment" in Pyongyang's weapons development came in 2017 when the country's first test-firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile took place.

Even without fully demonstrating ICBM capabilities, the test changed "the nature of the threat and the way U.S. allies viewed the credibility of U.S. extended deterrence," she said, referring to the U.S. commitment to using its military capabilities, including nuclear weapons, for protection of its allies and deterrence against attacks.

"While reassuring allies of security commitments is a persistent challenge, North Korea having both theater and long-range capabilities -- able to reach the U.S. homeland as well -- has exacerbated decoupling fears in South Korea," she added, noting that such fears will "only grow" as Pyongyang works to improve the credibility of its strategic weaponry.

North Korea carried out nuclear tests six times through September 2017, claiming the most recent one to be that of a hydrogen bomb to be loaded on an ICBM. Later that year, North Korea declared its nuclear force complete.

According to Town, senior fellow at the Stimson Center, which houses the 38 North program, Pyongyang had shown willingness on several occasions in the past to make concessions to improve the security environment on the Korean Peninsula as a whole, which could have led to containing its nuclear development program.

"But during many of those moments, the U.S. simply wasn't interested," she said, partly due to skepticism whether the intentions were sincere. "In many ways, North Korea learned that the only time the U.S. would take it seriously and be willing to talk, was when it did provocative things."

Town said "one of the biggest missed opportunities" was the working-level talks between the two countries on denuclearization in Stockholm in October 2019, which followed three meetings between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

At the first-ever U.S.-North Korea summit in Singapore in 2018 during his first term, Trump agreed with Kim that Washington would provide security guarantees to Pyongyang in exchange for the "complete" denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

But in the February 2019 summit in Vietnam, the two fell short of bridging the gap between Washington's denuclearization demands and Pyongyang's calls for sanctions relief. At the subsequent working-level talks, Pyongyang said the U.S. side came to the negotiations "empty-handed," indicating that the talks broke down.

"If the U.S. gone into that meeting with a counteroffer, something perhaps smaller but workable to demonstrate a reason to keep negotiating, rather than starting all over, it might not have worked but would have at least tested what was still possible when North Korea was still willing to engage," she said.

North Korea's mission of its development of the destructive weapons has also evolved, with the 2022 nuclear use law making the country declare that its status as a nuclear weapons state has become "irreversible."

"In the past, the North Korean nuclear program was always discussed in conditional terms -- 'as long as the U.S. maintained its hostile policy,'" Town said. "That is no longer the case. North Korea is no longer trying to justify why it needs nuclear weapons but already considers itself a 'responsible nuclear weapons state.'"

"To be fair, there is no precedent of a state building a sovereign nuclear weapons capability to this extent that has ever voluntarily reversed course," she added.

The closest precedent was South Africa, but it had only six nuclear weapons and had greater stakes in reintegrating into the international community.

"The idea that North Korea would be willing at this stage to reverse course at any price is a pretty extraordinary belief and would defy history."

As for the outlook, the expert on Northeast Asian security issues said Pyongyang's preconditions for talks are a "tall order" from where the United States and its allies stand today because they are "not just a matter of 'not talking denuclearization up front,' but declaring a denuclearization agenda is over."

At the same time, she said, continuing to push for denuclearization has prevented "dialogues risk reduction, crisis communication and response, arms limitations, doctrine and other things."

"Denuclearization, when North Korea is so far advanced in its deterrent development, is an increasingly improbable task. Continuing to hold this as the heart of our diplomatic efforts limits our own agency in dealing with North Korea," she added.